Here's an article about Ambien. Of note is the drug's method of action. Pretty much what Versed does.
Sleeping Pills So Dangerous There’s Now an “Ambien Defense” | The Alliance for Natural Health USA
People are running around, walking, talking, driving etc with no memory of what they have done. Perfect.
Sunday, April 12, 2015
Thursday, April 9, 2015
Versedbusters
I highly recommend www.versedbusters.blogspot.com for everybody who wants to read unique posts by Versed victims. Versedbusters isn't full of MY thoughts...which some people may like better. I highly recommend that Versed sufferers go to Tim's blog and read what others who have gone through what you are going through are thinking. Post your own experiences. For medical types, Tim censors posts as I do. The difference is that on Tim's blog, you will not ever see your post appear, or reappear if you like, along with commentary. At least here you may have an entire post devoted to your comment.
Heart Cath and Amnesia
I had an alleged crna come on here recently and opine that the elderly, along with drug addicts and alcoholics are the "typical" people who might not deal with Versed well. (He/she didn't go into it in detail look up POCD and see how "benign" it is.) Here's the strange part...look at the people who took the time to bash Versed on this site
VERSED: Side effects, ratings, and patient comments
There are two patients who have been given Versed for a heart procedure just in the last month or so. So, how old do you figure most people are who have a heart cath? How is it that they were given Versed, IF, as one alleged anesthesia person writes, the elderly are at elevated risk of POCD from Versed? Does it make sense to use Versed when they KNOW they could be damaging cognitive function in their patient? Kinda puts paid to the idea that Versed is for the patients well being. The two writers I am referencing had horrible experiences with Versed, to the point they went on www.askapatient.com to relate their experience. Here are the excerpts;
There is no zero rating for any drug on www.askapatient.com A (1) is as low as it goes. This explains the "high" rating of 2.7 out of 5. If there were a (0) we would have a more accurate picture of how PATIENTS view this drug, regardless of the propaganda disseminated by medical people.
As an aside, when I had my heart cath done WITHOUT VERSED, I felt like I was over reacting to the possibility of being given Versed. I was absolutely adamant that I not get it. I brought Amy the patient advocate with me to make sure I didn't get it. Versed is bad, Bad, BAD! The procedure is not worth getting your brain insulted with poison so that you "forget" the trauma. It's a non event. No trauma. What the hell is wrong with these medical people?
I wanted to put this one up so you can see just one more person who hates Versed. This person got the "anesthesiologist" fired. Good for her. I heard what my crna was saying, as did the rest of the laughing "team" in the OR where I went. MY nurses joined in the fun. MY nurses heard me say "no incapacitating drugs" and merrily shot me up with Versed anyway. MY nurses were complicit in the abuse. This lady was so very lucky to have the nurse she had. I am very envious. You can go to www.askapatient.com t see the posts in situ.
VERSED: Side effects, ratings, and patient comments
There are two patients who have been given Versed for a heart procedure just in the last month or so. So, how old do you figure most people are who have a heart cath? How is it that they were given Versed, IF, as one alleged anesthesia person writes, the elderly are at elevated risk of POCD from Versed? Does it make sense to use Versed when they KNOW they could be damaging cognitive function in their patient? Kinda puts paid to the idea that Versed is for the patients well being. The two writers I am referencing had horrible experiences with Versed, to the point they went on www.askapatient.com to relate their experience. Here are the excerpts;
| 1 | Cardiac cath | Horrible paranoia, heard the people talking in operating room,felt the needle being put into my arterie. Wad intibated and woke feeling that I had been buried alive. Wwould never recommend this drug to anyone. | F | 2 days ? | 3/27/2015 |
| 1 | surgery to fix heart arthymia | The doctors said I fought them at the end of surgery, HARD! I fell off the surgery table, heard the metal crashing against metal of the surgical tray that fell . Nurses pulled me out from under the table. I came out of anesthesia too early. I could hear the doctors and nurses talking but could not move. They said I was not breathing on my own, so the anesthesiologist tried to intubate me and put the tube in my throat improperly. He crushed 2 vocal chords and then decided he would make an incision in my throat and neck. A smart nurse told him to let her try to intubate me. She got it right away but he already did the damage! Then I opened my eyes, looked right at him and pointed at him very angrily. My voice still isn't right after 2 years | F | 60 | unknown 1X D | 3/23/2015 |
There is no zero rating for any drug on www.askapatient.com A (1) is as low as it goes. This explains the "high" rating of 2.7 out of 5. If there were a (0) we would have a more accurate picture of how PATIENTS view this drug, regardless of the propaganda disseminated by medical people.
As an aside, when I had my heart cath done WITHOUT VERSED, I felt like I was over reacting to the possibility of being given Versed. I was absolutely adamant that I not get it. I brought Amy the patient advocate with me to make sure I didn't get it. Versed is bad, Bad, BAD! The procedure is not worth getting your brain insulted with poison so that you "forget" the trauma. It's a non event. No trauma. What the hell is wrong with these medical people?
I wanted to put this one up so you can see just one more person who hates Versed. This person got the "anesthesiologist" fired. Good for her. I heard what my crna was saying, as did the rest of the laughing "team" in the OR where I went. MY nurses joined in the fun. MY nurses heard me say "no incapacitating drugs" and merrily shot me up with Versed anyway. MY nurses were complicit in the abuse. This lady was so very lucky to have the nurse she had. I am very envious. You can go to www.askapatient.com t see the posts in situ.
| 1 | I was given Versed for surgery | very painful spasms of arms and legs. Extreme feeling of heat, to the point of weeping and begging not to be given any more of "whatever you're using." The surgeon was not in the room at the time, and thought I was being given diazepam. | the anesthesiologist remarked to the three surgical nurses, "Oh, we have a drama queen here. Let's give her more Versed." One of the nurses ran to get my surgeon, who stopped the anesthesia and postponed the operation. (abdominal laparoscopy.) The anesthesiologist later was dismissed by the Memorial/Herrman hospital system. | F | 63 | 1 days 1X D | 3/28/2015 |
Proving My Point
My hope is by putting up links to other blogs wherein their authors find Versed objectionable on many levels, physical and mental, and the universal lack of true informed consent as required by law, that the medical people who love to hate me will see a common denominator. I truly believe that medical workers know full well that Versed is a bad drug... Despite my tirades, I don't believe these people are that ignorant that they can't see for themselves that Versed is bad. I just think that in true (base) human nature these workers prefer to damage their patients rather than to bother with them. Either it's really boring to explain things to patients and calm their fears, over and over all day long, or worse, medical people WANT their patients to make asses of themselves. They may also grow addicted to the sheer power of destroying people's personalities and turning them into gibbering idiots whose only desire is to OBEY the practitioner. Either way, it's not looking good for Versed pushers...
Here's a link; Lost morning | rockin' the bourgeoisie
I copied it for you here as well...
At first, we thought it was kind of funny. But as I learned more about what went on, it isn’t so ha-ha anymore. In fact, I’ve been drowning in alternating feelings of anger, embarrassment, and betrayal.
I’m talking about having my memory stolen.
On Tuesday of this week, I went in for an endoscopy/colonoscopy. Nasty tests, and I’m glad they put you “out” for them. I recall the nurse telling me, “We’re going to start your medication now.” I’m like, “Go for it…I don’t want to know what’s going on anyway.”
The next thing I remember is being at home, almost four hours later.
OK, recap. At 10:30 a.m., a lady was talking to me in a dark room. Then, blackness. When the world comes into view again, it’s 2:00 in the afternoon and I’m walking to the sofa in my living room.
Here is a list of things I (reportedly) did after the procedure:
Now I’ve had a total of 13 different surgeries in my life. I am no stranger to the effects of anesthesia, and I’ve had all kinds of knock-out drugs. But I knew something about this was totally different. It wasn’t Valium or Demerol, and it obviously wasn’t Propofol (the drug on which Michael Jackson overdosed) because there was no anesthesiologist present. So what went on?
When the Thriller told me all the things I did, and got to the part about me putting a date in my Droid, I didn’t believe him. He said, “Get out your phone and look.” The horror I experienced when I saw that I had indeed done it is difficult to describe.
Well, that evening, a nurse from the doctor’s office called to check on me. After the pleasantries, I asked, “Hey, I’m curious. What kind of sedative was I given for the test?” She said, “It’s called Versed [pronounced ver-SED].” I told her I hadn’t heard of that before, and that it’s strange but I have absolutely no recollection of anything after being brought into the endoscopy room. She chuckled and said, “Yes, Versed causes amnesia; it’s kind of like the date-rape drug,” meaning rohypnal, or “ruffies.”
(Oh, really. Then that explains why, when I was being admitted, the nurse asked me, “Do you trust the person who drove you here today?” I said, “Well sure…he’s my husband.” I thought to myself, what an odd question to ask someone. She went on to instruct me — and she said it at least twice before I started the prep session — “Do not make any important decisions today. Do not sign any legal documents or make any large transactions.” Whaaat? Well, it’s clear to me now, since the fog has lifted.)
Anyway, I was gobsmacked after the “date-rape drug” reference. I made some fool comment, I don’t know, about having to ask my husband five times what the doctor said he found in the test, thanked her, and signed off the call. I can’t describe to you how I felt. Well, yeah I can. I felt violated — like something was taken from me without my permission. I decided to shake it off, but the curiosity lingered, so I did some research. Turns out Versed isn’t the happy la-la juice people might think it is. I know everyone reacts differently to medications, and I was one of the fortunate ones who did not experience the horrors many others endured — namely, the waking up inside your head in excruciating pain, but not being able to wake up your body to scream out loud. Right there is what every surgical patient fears, I think.
Now I’m not a Chicken Little, and I don’t believe everything I read on the Internet. But having gone through this experience myself, I can see where these people in the above post are coming from. Moreover, to some, it may not matter that there is a black hole in their day. But the fact I said and did things I don’t remember (one of them rather embarrassing, involving me saying something about my husband in mixed company that I would never say normally) bugs me. Really bugs me. Taking away my self-control is not funny to me.
So there it is — a rare “serious” post from the Fink. But in the public interest, I thought I ought to bring you up to speed, so when it’s your turn to have these tests — and if it isn’t yet, it will be one day — you’ll know what to ask. This drug was not mentioned anywhere in the pre-procedure paperwork that I signed. Nowhere in the document did I see the phrase, “You will have no memory of large blocks of time.” Well I can tell you that it’s not going to happen again.
Next time I have one of these tests (and I will have more…the joys of being over 50), I am going to insist on another medication, or even on having an anesthesiologist there and going the Propofol route. Anything other than Versed. Anyone who knows me knows that I am firmly against anything that steals people’s joy. I have been largely a joyless creature for the past two days, and I’m ready to quit it. It wasn’t altogether harrowing, and nobody died, and the world goes on, and the sun is shining and life is good…but the Versed thing ain’t happening again.
I read on one blog that people who object to Versed are “pansies.” I wear the badge proudly:
Now let’s have a good Thurgsday, shall we? Jake and Justin this morning, then lunch with Rae, dinner with the Thriller, and at some point, shopping with Mavis. I’m going to “forget” about the bad stuff.
Lost morning
At first, we thought it was kind of funny. But as I learned more about what went on, it isn’t so ha-ha anymore. In fact, I’ve been drowning in alternating feelings of anger, embarrassment, and betrayal.I’m talking about having my memory stolen.
On Tuesday of this week, I went in for an endoscopy/colonoscopy. Nasty tests, and I’m glad they put you “out” for them. I recall the nurse telling me, “We’re going to start your medication now.” I’m like, “Go for it…I don’t want to know what’s going on anyway.”
The next thing I remember is being at home, almost four hours later.
OK, recap. At 10:30 a.m., a lady was talking to me in a dark room. Then, blackness. When the world comes into view again, it’s 2:00 in the afternoon and I’m walking to the sofa in my living room.
Here is a list of things I (reportedly) did after the procedure:
- Met with the doctor
- Chatted with the nurses
- Signed a release form
- Got out my phone and put a follow-up date in my Droid’s calendar
- Got dressed
- Walked to the car
- Conversed with the Thriller on the ride home
Now I’ve had a total of 13 different surgeries in my life. I am no stranger to the effects of anesthesia, and I’ve had all kinds of knock-out drugs. But I knew something about this was totally different. It wasn’t Valium or Demerol, and it obviously wasn’t Propofol (the drug on which Michael Jackson overdosed) because there was no anesthesiologist present. So what went on?
When the Thriller told me all the things I did, and got to the part about me putting a date in my Droid, I didn’t believe him. He said, “Get out your phone and look.” The horror I experienced when I saw that I had indeed done it is difficult to describe.
Well, that evening, a nurse from the doctor’s office called to check on me. After the pleasantries, I asked, “Hey, I’m curious. What kind of sedative was I given for the test?” She said, “It’s called Versed [pronounced ver-SED].” I told her I hadn’t heard of that before, and that it’s strange but I have absolutely no recollection of anything after being brought into the endoscopy room. She chuckled and said, “Yes, Versed causes amnesia; it’s kind of like the date-rape drug,” meaning rohypnal, or “ruffies.”
(Oh, really. Then that explains why, when I was being admitted, the nurse asked me, “Do you trust the person who drove you here today?” I said, “Well sure…he’s my husband.” I thought to myself, what an odd question to ask someone. She went on to instruct me — and she said it at least twice before I started the prep session — “Do not make any important decisions today. Do not sign any legal documents or make any large transactions.” Whaaat? Well, it’s clear to me now, since the fog has lifted.)
Anyway, I was gobsmacked after the “date-rape drug” reference. I made some fool comment, I don’t know, about having to ask my husband five times what the doctor said he found in the test, thanked her, and signed off the call. I can’t describe to you how I felt. Well, yeah I can. I felt violated — like something was taken from me without my permission. I decided to shake it off, but the curiosity lingered, so I did some research. Turns out Versed isn’t the happy la-la juice people might think it is. I know everyone reacts differently to medications, and I was one of the fortunate ones who did not experience the horrors many others endured — namely, the waking up inside your head in excruciating pain, but not being able to wake up your body to scream out loud. Right there is what every surgical patient fears, I think.
Now I’m not a Chicken Little, and I don’t believe everything I read on the Internet. But having gone through this experience myself, I can see where these people in the above post are coming from. Moreover, to some, it may not matter that there is a black hole in their day. But the fact I said and did things I don’t remember (one of them rather embarrassing, involving me saying something about my husband in mixed company that I would never say normally) bugs me. Really bugs me. Taking away my self-control is not funny to me.
So there it is — a rare “serious” post from the Fink. But in the public interest, I thought I ought to bring you up to speed, so when it’s your turn to have these tests — and if it isn’t yet, it will be one day — you’ll know what to ask. This drug was not mentioned anywhere in the pre-procedure paperwork that I signed. Nowhere in the document did I see the phrase, “You will have no memory of large blocks of time.” Well I can tell you that it’s not going to happen again.
Next time I have one of these tests (and I will have more…the joys of being over 50), I am going to insist on another medication, or even on having an anesthesiologist there and going the Propofol route. Anything other than Versed. Anyone who knows me knows that I am firmly against anything that steals people’s joy. I have been largely a joyless creature for the past two days, and I’m ready to quit it. It wasn’t altogether harrowing, and nobody died, and the world goes on, and the sun is shining and life is good…but the Versed thing ain’t happening again.
I read on one blog that people who object to Versed are “pansies.” I wear the badge proudly:
Now let’s have a good Thurgsday, shall we? Jake and Justin this morning, then lunch with Rae, dinner with the Thriller, and at some point, shopping with Mavis. I’m going to “forget” about the bad stuff.
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I hear you loud and clear, my sistah. I, too, am one that experienced the after effects of the demon drug, Versed. I lost memory and time, but I also experienced terrifying (to the point I was actually screaming, so I was told) hallucinations. Very scary stuff, that. Like you (as you know) I’ve had many surgeries and know the meaning of pain. I will GLADLY wear a pansy badge and stand with you on this issue. Bad, bad drug. Glad that you’re back to your normal self, love, and thank you so much for informing the fiends on this personal subject. You’re awesome!!
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July 1st, 2010
at 8:36 amHey thanks, Mave. We’ve both been around the block and back in Surgeryville. I didn’t want to make a big huge deal about this, but I was mad when I realized I was clueless! There’s something to be said about the devil you know vs. the one you don’t. If I’d known all the side-effects of Versed, you can bet I’d have been on the horn to them. Fortunately it worked out, sorta….but forewarned is forearmed! LOVE U
That’s what bothers me a bit about having a colonoscopy! I’ve never been under any form of sedation and living alone compounds the fears. Maybe I’d just go under and that would be it–or maybe I’d start telling jokes in an Irish brogue, swear at the medical staff like a crotchety old git, take a Vespa on a trip to Monterey or book a world cruise–all without being aware of it! Great. Something further to discuss at my next doctor’s appointment!
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July 1st, 2010
at 9:02 amYep — regardless of the drugs they use, you will definitely want, say, Celeste to drive you there and stay awhile with you at your house afterwards. Under Versed, you might do any number of things (cuz yer crazy anyhow).
Definitely talk to your doc about alternatives!
Next time, just ask for a few swigs of Riuniti Lambrusco like the old days!!
That is the strangest thing I’ve ever heard! And DEFINITELY appreciate the heads-up & will make it a point to ask about meds the next time I have to go under the knife or whatever…. Rat Fink Reply:
July 1st, 2010
at 10:32 pmAh, Riuniti! Whoa, that brings back memories…
You make sure you ask a ton of questions when you schedule your test. And did you post this comment from the aeroplane???
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Is it odd that medical people think we are pansies because we DON'T need sedation? What is so pansy about that? I take exception to medical workers twisted view of what constitutes a pansy. Obviously it's the freaking PANSIES who WANT sedation, not vice versa. Leave it to medical folks to try to blame the victim and accuse the victim of unrealistic stuff, like being a pansies because you want to remain with you body and brain intact. Medical workers who are afraid to treat unsedated patients are the REAL pansies. In the old days I would have challenged any of these medical workers to meet me out behind the barn and we'll just see who is the pansy! LOL Without a syringe in their hand, they are spineless jellyfish, scared of people who aren't sedated. They would never get away with their cruel and antisocial behavior without Versed. Yup, I heard what you said and I saw what you did, Aaron! (my crna) You are the worst kind of serial killer type, nasty, hatefilled, bully. Not to mention Aaron is a coward and a PANSY!
Wednesday, April 8, 2015
Homeopathic Help For The Versed/Midazolam Damaged Brain
There are a couple of new supplements which I have found helpful. I have already suggested mega doses of fish or krill oil are like chapstick for the brain. I still take those supplements. However I have a new combo I'd like to share.
The first one is HCF. (Happy-Calm-Focused) It has a blend of vitamins and minerals plus amino acids. I have used several of the ingredients as stand alone vitamins/minerals, but this is easier. 3 capsules daily instead of ten or twenty. There are no chemicals or preservatives in it. This works on the jangled nerves, the anxiety, depression and the rest of this type of problem from the Versed encounter. I use it myself or I wouldn't recommend it.
The second one I take is something called Prevagen. I only found out about it a month ago and decided to try it. It works for me. Prevagen helps with the brain freeze part of the Versed damage. You know how you are talking to somebody and all of a sudden your thoughts stop? You're sitting there searching for the word you've used you entire life which is suddenly unavailable... That's the kind of thing Prevagen helps with. I use the extra strength capsule. I can tell the difference when I forget to take it.
We may never return to normal, but you kinda get used to it after a while. These two products along with your krill or fish oil ( I use red Krill and wild Salmon oils) and in my case extra Magnesium and Vitamin D help manage the problem. Sorry the Prevagen and HCF are pricey but it's worth it to me...maybe to you as well. One day if I'm feeling brave I will try the HCF and Prevagen without the additional supplements. For now I'm quite happy with the results.
The first one is HCF. (Happy-Calm-Focused) It has a blend of vitamins and minerals plus amino acids. I have used several of the ingredients as stand alone vitamins/minerals, but this is easier. 3 capsules daily instead of ten or twenty. There are no chemicals or preservatives in it. This works on the jangled nerves, the anxiety, depression and the rest of this type of problem from the Versed encounter. I use it myself or I wouldn't recommend it.
The second one I take is something called Prevagen. I only found out about it a month ago and decided to try it. It works for me. Prevagen helps with the brain freeze part of the Versed damage. You know how you are talking to somebody and all of a sudden your thoughts stop? You're sitting there searching for the word you've used you entire life which is suddenly unavailable... That's the kind of thing Prevagen helps with. I use the extra strength capsule. I can tell the difference when I forget to take it.
We may never return to normal, but you kinda get used to it after a while. These two products along with your krill or fish oil ( I use red Krill and wild Salmon oils) and in my case extra Magnesium and Vitamin D help manage the problem. Sorry the Prevagen and HCF are pricey but it's worth it to me...maybe to you as well. One day if I'm feeling brave I will try the HCF and Prevagen without the additional supplements. For now I'm quite happy with the results.
Recent Spate of Hate Mail
Recently I have received a spate of hate-mail from people purporting to be anesthesia nurses. I can assure you that I read every single one of them, even if I do not allow the comments to be posted. As I have explained before, I heavily censor what goes up on the blog. I do however save them. Just in case, if you get my drift.
What I still find amazing is just how bad the behavior is. Of course it's all anonymous, so the writers can hide behind that. Very few actually have taken me up on e-mailing me. Why is that? Do you think attacking me AGAIN after my debacle will somehow make me and others who have been harmed by your favorite drug feel better about it? You know what makes me feel better about crna's? Guess. When they say that they don't use Versed on everybody just to make their job easier or to gain that "compliance" or "cooperation" they tout. You guys are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS. Every single one of you uses this as an excuse for what happened to me. It isn't professional to disregard "informed consent" laws for any reason or to surreptitiously inject innocent trusting patients with Versed, especially if they have declined it.
I have seen the posts on how impossible it is to follow the law. It's on allnurses, it's on nurse-anesthesia, it's in posts all over the internet. How do you think that makes me feel after MY incident? You think it makes me full of joyous anticipation for my next encounter with health care? My crna, the nurses, the hospital where I went, all decided that informed consent is a joke and that THEY didn't have to follow it. They caused me great harm and then laughed it off.
I never received one ounce of sympathy for the ordeal, not one apology, nobody got in trouble, it was business as usual, except for the part in the PACU. Even then, I was admonished that I was "upsetting" the other patients. Really? What about the part where I had every reason to be upset? I was given that damn Versed without warning or permission. I had clearly stated that nobody was allowed to give me any drug which would incapacitate me. I never signed an anesthesia consent. How would I know that I was going to be attacked with "vitamin v" the simple muscle relaxer? I TRUSTED them. I declined the general anesthetic. I TRUSTED them not to give it to me. Absolutely trusted them. I had THE LAW on my side as well to prevent the very thing that happened to me. I was such an ignorant fool. Believe me I already feel like the most stupid person on the planet for TRUSTING the medical minions. They took that trust in themselves and informed consent laws and ground it up under their heel. Then I am supposed to just get on with my life, and forget about it...AFTER I PAY you for the assault of course. I TRUSTED you people to treat me with respect and dignity, and in compliance with the law. Instead I got a crna who figured I was unimportant, my wishes were unimportant, my previous experiences were unimportant and I apparently was just a slab of meat, a defiant one at that, which needed to be dealt with by any means possible. That was with Versed...vitamin v.
So after dealing with the abuse of my crna, whom I discovered was a crna when I complained to the outfit that sent him, I got the brushoff again. I didn't even know crna's existed. This is required to be explained to me before surgery. I have a right to have a doctor instead of a nurse. It's the law. I had no intentions of having general anesthetic, declined it vigorously along with sedation so I wasn't all that worried. I TRUSTED THEM. Obviously with my previous history with anesthesia I would NEVER have allowed a nurse to try their hand at it. He KNEW the minute I walked in what he was going to do, I said no and I got EVERYTHING HE WANTED TO DO TO ME ANYWAY. I GOT THE ENORMOUS BILL FOR IT AS WELL. NOBODY GAVE A DAMN ABOUT ME. How does it feel to be treated like a barnyard animal? How does it feel to be given a NOTORIOUSLY bad drug against your will? Cavalierly given to a patient with a history of bad reactions to anesthesia drugs? I don't think you people (oh yes I did use that term) think about that at all. The thing is, even if I had allowed Versed to be used on me, the nature of the drug is such that I would have had a bad reaction to it, like so many other people, the difference being in ALLOWING IT. I rejected this drug and every other one with the same effects. (10% bad reaction to Versed times the number of procedures comes out to millions of people) I also had a bad reaction to being rendered helpless by people I trusted and treated with disdain for me and for the law. To have it given to me by a NURSE in DIRECT defiance of my wishes and listening to his nasty, ugly chatter about me was horrifying. The other nurses were laughing at the comments and at me. If there was a doctor in the room, he/she ignored what was going on. You clearly have no idea how bad this is.
So the way to keep the abuse fresh in my mind is for anesthesia nurses to come here and attack me some more. Sure makes sense to me! Defend your alleged superiority over me. Defend a nurses ability to defy the patient and the law. Defend patients getting Versed AND general anesthetic when they say no. Defend it all. I will post your comments for the world to see. (and believe it or not, this blog is seen all over the world. People from England and Australia have written to me about their bad experience with Versed.) Somebody needs to rein you guys in. My hope is that one of my elected officials, the crna organizations, the nursing organizations, SOMEBODY whom I have sent this blog to will pay attention. Versed is a BAD drug. You are exhibiting BAD behavior. I'm calling you on it. I think all of you nurses who leave those nasty anti-social messages for me should have remedial training. I suggest sensitivity training, anger management classes and classes on informed consent law.
What I still find amazing is just how bad the behavior is. Of course it's all anonymous, so the writers can hide behind that. Very few actually have taken me up on e-mailing me. Why is that? Do you think attacking me AGAIN after my debacle will somehow make me and others who have been harmed by your favorite drug feel better about it? You know what makes me feel better about crna's? Guess. When they say that they don't use Versed on everybody just to make their job easier or to gain that "compliance" or "cooperation" they tout. You guys are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS. Every single one of you uses this as an excuse for what happened to me. It isn't professional to disregard "informed consent" laws for any reason or to surreptitiously inject innocent trusting patients with Versed, especially if they have declined it.
I have seen the posts on how impossible it is to follow the law. It's on allnurses, it's on nurse-anesthesia, it's in posts all over the internet. How do you think that makes me feel after MY incident? You think it makes me full of joyous anticipation for my next encounter with health care? My crna, the nurses, the hospital where I went, all decided that informed consent is a joke and that THEY didn't have to follow it. They caused me great harm and then laughed it off.
I never received one ounce of sympathy for the ordeal, not one apology, nobody got in trouble, it was business as usual, except for the part in the PACU. Even then, I was admonished that I was "upsetting" the other patients. Really? What about the part where I had every reason to be upset? I was given that damn Versed without warning or permission. I had clearly stated that nobody was allowed to give me any drug which would incapacitate me. I never signed an anesthesia consent. How would I know that I was going to be attacked with "vitamin v" the simple muscle relaxer? I TRUSTED them. I declined the general anesthetic. I TRUSTED them not to give it to me. Absolutely trusted them. I had THE LAW on my side as well to prevent the very thing that happened to me. I was such an ignorant fool. Believe me I already feel like the most stupid person on the planet for TRUSTING the medical minions. They took that trust in themselves and informed consent laws and ground it up under their heel. Then I am supposed to just get on with my life, and forget about it...AFTER I PAY you for the assault of course. I TRUSTED you people to treat me with respect and dignity, and in compliance with the law. Instead I got a crna who figured I was unimportant, my wishes were unimportant, my previous experiences were unimportant and I apparently was just a slab of meat, a defiant one at that, which needed to be dealt with by any means possible. That was with Versed...vitamin v.
So after dealing with the abuse of my crna, whom I discovered was a crna when I complained to the outfit that sent him, I got the brushoff again. I didn't even know crna's existed. This is required to be explained to me before surgery. I have a right to have a doctor instead of a nurse. It's the law. I had no intentions of having general anesthetic, declined it vigorously along with sedation so I wasn't all that worried. I TRUSTED THEM. Obviously with my previous history with anesthesia I would NEVER have allowed a nurse to try their hand at it. He KNEW the minute I walked in what he was going to do, I said no and I got EVERYTHING HE WANTED TO DO TO ME ANYWAY. I GOT THE ENORMOUS BILL FOR IT AS WELL. NOBODY GAVE A DAMN ABOUT ME. How does it feel to be treated like a barnyard animal? How does it feel to be given a NOTORIOUSLY bad drug against your will? Cavalierly given to a patient with a history of bad reactions to anesthesia drugs? I don't think you people (oh yes I did use that term) think about that at all. The thing is, even if I had allowed Versed to be used on me, the nature of the drug is such that I would have had a bad reaction to it, like so many other people, the difference being in ALLOWING IT. I rejected this drug and every other one with the same effects. (10% bad reaction to Versed times the number of procedures comes out to millions of people) I also had a bad reaction to being rendered helpless by people I trusted and treated with disdain for me and for the law. To have it given to me by a NURSE in DIRECT defiance of my wishes and listening to his nasty, ugly chatter about me was horrifying. The other nurses were laughing at the comments and at me. If there was a doctor in the room, he/she ignored what was going on. You clearly have no idea how bad this is.
So the way to keep the abuse fresh in my mind is for anesthesia nurses to come here and attack me some more. Sure makes sense to me! Defend your alleged superiority over me. Defend a nurses ability to defy the patient and the law. Defend patients getting Versed AND general anesthetic when they say no. Defend it all. I will post your comments for the world to see. (and believe it or not, this blog is seen all over the world. People from England and Australia have written to me about their bad experience with Versed.) Somebody needs to rein you guys in. My hope is that one of my elected officials, the crna organizations, the nursing organizations, SOMEBODY whom I have sent this blog to will pay attention. Versed is a BAD drug. You are exhibiting BAD behavior. I'm calling you on it. I think all of you nurses who leave those nasty anti-social messages for me should have remedial training. I suggest sensitivity training, anger management classes and classes on informed consent law.
Monday, April 6, 2015
A Comment from a Hostile Medical Worker
Here is one of the comments I received which I did not post. It illuminates what I am saying about the mindset of medical minions perfectly. Let's see what this medical person has to say, shall we?
"Hmm. Psycho, much? The RELATIVE of a competent adult does NOT get final say over the anesthetic choices of another adult. Tantrums notwithstanding, this woman was NOT the patient here. And "fuzzy mental processes for two weeks after sedation with Versed"? As a pharmacologist, I have a high suspicion of BS. The "stress" of a relative of a patient is a FAR lower priority than the stress of the actual patient, IMHO."
on Knee Replacement, Versed, and an Enlightened CRNA
We start right out with the insult. "Psycho" Sorry commenter anonymous, I am not psycho. I know you guys try to convince yourselves that anybody who disagrees with your exalted wisdom is a psycho, but it doesn't work like that. I think you are projecting. Are you familiar with that psych term? Moving on.
I guess you guys are not accustomed to making medical decisions in a family. My husband is NOT a child. We make decisions based on our own experiences, research and by asking others who have had the same surgery what the results were. We do NOT blindly trust any medical "human resources" opinions. Not after my debacle. Who knew a simple wrist surgery would cause such problems...but it's not about me, as you pointed out, it's about my husband.
So, genius, do you really think that after my husband saw what happened to me after the Versed incident, saw what happened to others, listened to my phone conversations with hysterical people from all over the country who had a very bad reaction to Versed, you think he wanted to try it? You really are off your rocker if you think he would. Absolutely NOT! My job was to make sure that he didn't get it. Guess who was on the paperwork with power of attorney? That would be me. Guess who was on the paperwork of the advance directive, genius? That would be me as well. So you see that your whole premise is a falsehood. I was in charge of my adult husband's medical treatment. Oh yeah, huh? Forgot about that part didn't you? Maybe you didn't know about POA and advance directives?
(added later; what do you think advance directives and POA do? If you know about them, do you know what they entail, and/or do you regularly defy them, knowingly or unknowingly? I'm curious. I may have to instruct the next medical people on what these legal papers mean. These documents are not just a formality or a "hold harmless" agreement like "informed" consent has devolved into. They are not open to interpretation and are legally binding.)
I didn't have a "tantrum". Is that supposed to be more of your psychic abilities? I was simply very firm. I know what happened to me and extrapolating from that, patients and their caregivers need to be more than just firm. A firm NO might convince the minions that you really didn't mean "no", you might mean "no, unless you have a better idea", or "no, unless you really, really want to". You have to make sure that NO is interpreted as NO. It isn't my fault that I have to do this, it's yours (plural). If it had been necessary to have a "tantrum" as you put it, then we would have gone home and rescheduled with somebody else. No tantrum.
The "fuzzy mental processes" statement was a direct quote from the crna whom I allowed to work on my husband after our brief conversation. If you don't believe the crna about her own experience with Versed, what can I say? I don't see where YOU get off making a statement like you did without even knowing the people involved. Your accusation about the crna's statement being BS is really over-the-top. How would you know what her experience was? Are you psychic? Or just narcissistic? I am very defensive about her, as *I* liked her. You have no right coming on here and talking about her experience with Versed like that. She is a crna. I'm supposed to doubt her when her experience parallels mine to a degree? Wow. You guys are just upset because I'm playing favorites. Get over it.
In your final statement, honey babe, the stress of the caregiver has a direct correlation with healing post surgery. I'm sorry you can't see that. What would have additionally stressed "the patient" is to have his caregiver stressed out. The very last thing we needed was to be stressed out worrying that Versed would have the same effect on him as it did on me. Does that make sense? Or does that seem all "psycho" to you?
I have had crna's coming here, extolling their virtues and claiming that their previous nursing experience makes them better at what they do. IF that is true, then you guys know full well how important the patients support group is, whatever form that takes. Yet here we have an alleged fully trained professional with a "high suspicion of BS" taking the opposite tack.
"Hmm. Psycho, much? The RELATIVE of a competent adult does NOT get final say over the anesthetic choices of another adult. Tantrums notwithstanding, this woman was NOT the patient here. And "fuzzy mental processes for two weeks after sedation with Versed"? As a pharmacologist, I have a high suspicion of BS. The "stress" of a relative of a patient is a FAR lower priority than the stress of the actual patient, IMHO."
on Knee Replacement, Versed, and an Enlightened CRNA
We start right out with the insult. "Psycho" Sorry commenter anonymous, I am not psycho. I know you guys try to convince yourselves that anybody who disagrees with your exalted wisdom is a psycho, but it doesn't work like that. I think you are projecting. Are you familiar with that psych term? Moving on.
I guess you guys are not accustomed to making medical decisions in a family. My husband is NOT a child. We make decisions based on our own experiences, research and by asking others who have had the same surgery what the results were. We do NOT blindly trust any medical "human resources" opinions. Not after my debacle. Who knew a simple wrist surgery would cause such problems...but it's not about me, as you pointed out, it's about my husband.
So, genius, do you really think that after my husband saw what happened to me after the Versed incident, saw what happened to others, listened to my phone conversations with hysterical people from all over the country who had a very bad reaction to Versed, you think he wanted to try it? You really are off your rocker if you think he would. Absolutely NOT! My job was to make sure that he didn't get it. Guess who was on the paperwork with power of attorney? That would be me. Guess who was on the paperwork of the advance directive, genius? That would be me as well. So you see that your whole premise is a falsehood. I was in charge of my adult husband's medical treatment. Oh yeah, huh? Forgot about that part didn't you? Maybe you didn't know about POA and advance directives?
(added later; what do you think advance directives and POA do? If you know about them, do you know what they entail, and/or do you regularly defy them, knowingly or unknowingly? I'm curious. I may have to instruct the next medical people on what these legal papers mean. These documents are not just a formality or a "hold harmless" agreement like "informed" consent has devolved into. They are not open to interpretation and are legally binding.)
I didn't have a "tantrum". Is that supposed to be more of your psychic abilities? I was simply very firm. I know what happened to me and extrapolating from that, patients and their caregivers need to be more than just firm. A firm NO might convince the minions that you really didn't mean "no", you might mean "no, unless you have a better idea", or "no, unless you really, really want to". You have to make sure that NO is interpreted as NO. It isn't my fault that I have to do this, it's yours (plural). If it had been necessary to have a "tantrum" as you put it, then we would have gone home and rescheduled with somebody else. No tantrum.
The "fuzzy mental processes" statement was a direct quote from the crna whom I allowed to work on my husband after our brief conversation. If you don't believe the crna about her own experience with Versed, what can I say? I don't see where YOU get off making a statement like you did without even knowing the people involved. Your accusation about the crna's statement being BS is really over-the-top. How would you know what her experience was? Are you psychic? Or just narcissistic? I am very defensive about her, as *I* liked her. You have no right coming on here and talking about her experience with Versed like that. She is a crna. I'm supposed to doubt her when her experience parallels mine to a degree? Wow. You guys are just upset because I'm playing favorites. Get over it.
In your final statement, honey babe, the stress of the caregiver has a direct correlation with healing post surgery. I'm sorry you can't see that. What would have additionally stressed "the patient" is to have his caregiver stressed out. The very last thing we needed was to be stressed out worrying that Versed would have the same effect on him as it did on me. Does that make sense? Or does that seem all "psycho" to you?
I have had crna's coming here, extolling their virtues and claiming that their previous nursing experience makes them better at what they do. IF that is true, then you guys know full well how important the patients support group is, whatever form that takes. Yet here we have an alleged fully trained professional with a "high suspicion of BS" taking the opposite tack.
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/ 1 July, 2010