I just read a new term for general anesthetic G/A over on http://www.versedbusters.blogspot.com/! G/A is now called "unconscious sedation!" My God does everything under the sun have to be called "sedation?" I can hardly wait for the courts to take this up! "But your Honor, I merely SEDATED my wife by punching her in the face, I didn't knock her out!" Or how about this one "Your Honor, I didn't kill that man, I just permanently sedated him!"
Come on medical people, enough is enough. Amnesia is NOT sedation. Sedation is a seperate thing from amnesia and you know it! Being ASLEEP is NOT the same as having amnesia. This statement is among the more stupid things I have heard about amnesia. General anesthetic ISN'T "unconscious sedation!" You better know the difference between being out cold and being sedated. Although medical people can't seem to differentiate between the different states. Having AMNESIA doesn't qualify as pain free! (especially since you people are restraining struggling and screaming patients. You know better than that.) Awake and alert isn't being an amnestic zombie. Cooperation isn't mindless "purposeful" obedience to commands. Being DEAD doesn't qualify as having amnesia either. How ignorant. You guys need to start acting like normal people and stop trying to redefine plain English. It makes you look sneaky and uninformed.
Monday, September 5, 2011
Saturday, September 3, 2011
Zombies!
This is tongue in cheek from Bob Hope. No offense Democrats, I just like the whole shock about zombies. Now apparently it's no problem to turn people into zombies. LOL these old actors describe Versed effects perfectly... Bob Hope in "The Ghost Breakers" - YouTube
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
"Keep Versed Out Of Your Head!"
A fellow Versed sufferer found this new blog post and sent it to me. I now share it with you.
Sweet Rocket: Versed (midazolam): Avoid This Drug!
The title of my post is a catchy slogan that "Susan" the writer of the above linked blog came up with. I love it. Very good Susan! Thanks for your "public service" in warning people about this drug. Medical people deny that any of the symptoms we ALL describe could POSSIBLY be the Versed... They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Sweet Rocket: Versed (midazolam): Avoid This Drug!
The title of my post is a catchy slogan that "Susan" the writer of the above linked blog came up with. I love it. Very good Susan! Thanks for your "public service" in warning people about this drug. Medical people deny that any of the symptoms we ALL describe could POSSIBLY be the Versed... They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Monday, August 29, 2011
More On Pediatric Sedation W/Versed
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/medicine/bmj/nnf4/pdfs/midacomment.pdf
This is a really interesting read. This pilot study named "The NOPAIN Trial" decided to "exclude any further study of this drug (Verse/Midazolam) during the larger NEOPAIN study." Paraphrasing; They decided that the risks were too great to justify subjecting these infants to further Versed testing.
Here's another finding; " The widespread use of continuous Midazolam infusion remains one of a large number of neonatal treatment stratagies that have come into widespread use over the last 15 years without ever undergoing rigorous evaluation." (Medical people are so enamored of this drug, that they use it regardless of the bad reactions many of these babies and children experience. Siezures, adverse neurological events, to include death, intraventricular hemorrhage, periventricular leukomalacia etc. are some of the problems with using Versed. Judging by the reaction *I* personally get, I don't think that medical people WANT any "rigorous evaluation" of the efficacy of Versed.)
I want to remind everybody, like the NOPAIN group did, that Versed/Midazolam is NOT A PAINKILLER! It's a drug to keep these babies quiet.
Maybe we should all request a prescription for Versed/Midazolam when we take our babies home. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to drug the baby so that we can get some sleep? (SARCASM!)
This is a really interesting read. This pilot study named "The NOPAIN Trial" decided to "exclude any further study of this drug (Verse/Midazolam) during the larger NEOPAIN study." Paraphrasing; They decided that the risks were too great to justify subjecting these infants to further Versed testing.
Here's another finding; " The widespread use of continuous Midazolam infusion remains one of a large number of neonatal treatment stratagies that have come into widespread use over the last 15 years without ever undergoing rigorous evaluation." (Medical people are so enamored of this drug, that they use it regardless of the bad reactions many of these babies and children experience. Siezures, adverse neurological events, to include death, intraventricular hemorrhage, periventricular leukomalacia etc. are some of the problems with using Versed. Judging by the reaction *I* personally get, I don't think that medical people WANT any "rigorous evaluation" of the efficacy of Versed.)
I want to remind everybody, like the NOPAIN group did, that Versed/Midazolam is NOT A PAINKILLER! It's a drug to keep these babies quiet.
Maybe we should all request a prescription for Versed/Midazolam when we take our babies home. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to drug the baby so that we can get some sleep? (SARCASM!)
Neonates and Midazolam/Versed
I googled "neonates Midazolam" this morning and found this study, right off the bat. Intravenous midazolam infusion for sedation of infants in the neonatal intensive care unit
Here is the summary;
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Here is the summary;
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Plain language summary
Intravenous midazolam infusion for sedation of infants in the neonatal intensive care unit
There is no evidence to show the benefit of midazolam as a sedative for newborn babies in neonatal intensive care. Newborn babies undergoing uncomfortable procedures in intensive care units may need sedation to reduce stress and avoid complications. It is difficult to measure their pain so sedatives or pain killers are sometimes overlooked for newborn babies. Midazolam is a short acting sedative increasingly used in neonatal intensive care. The review of trials found no evidence to support the use of midazolam as a sedative for neonates undergoing intensive care. Babies receiving midazolam stayed in hospital longer and had more adverse effects. More research is needed to address the safety and effect of midazolam.
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"THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW THE BENEFIT OF MIDAZOLAM AS A SEDATIVE FOR NEWBORN BABIES IN NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE." That's pretty plain language! "BABIES RECEIVING MIDAZOLAM STAYED IN THE HOSPITAL LONGER AND HAD MORE ADVERSE EFFECTS." I wonder if they have studied the effects on the babies BRAINS? There are other studies which say that pregnant or nursing WOMEN should NOT get Versed/Midazolam lest it adversely effect their babies, either through the bloodstream or through the breast milk.
Sunday, August 28, 2011
Versed Sufferer; Contact Nader!
Here's an e-mail I got from another Versed sufferer. She happens to have other life threatening physical problems and can't really avoid medical treatment... Here's what she writes.
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"I was also on the most recently recalled pills, ACTOS for diabetes but the attorney taking the cases was only taking the ones that ALREADY developed the bladder cancer and that usually requires 1 year of actos treatment, i have only been on it for about 5 or 6 months!
I have been posting on all alzheimers and autism boards for the families to get the medical records and check to see if their family members were treated with midazolam {MOST pre-term babies and sick babies {no matter the sickness} are automatically treated with midz during their ENTIRE hospital stay}
Why would you need compliance hypnosis or amnesia for a baby born at 7 months??? it affects the same part of the brain that causes alzheimers. Perhaps a way to control the future generations? I have been posting it on every site so pass this info along, they should all start calling Ralph Nader, it is the class action group that is doing the research on this drug as well as the first group I talked to was a drug litigation group for Nader.
So if this crap never leaves our system and months and years later some of us are still fighting the effects, after starting to get better I am regressing and freaking out again, not being able to think of words and not being able to read or write correctly can't spell, like halfway to aphasia I am scared shitless. I am on my way to a state or county nursing home where they feed you versed every day in a pill to make sure you go fast---you know, using up the resources and the mind rape and this planned euthanasia for our age group.
Please post Nader's # for folks and the website, his # for the groups is listed at the bottom of the page:
Public Citizen Home Page ,
Main office
Headquarters for: Member Services, Health Research Group, Litigation Group and Communications Office
1600 20th Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
we NEED to flood his office non stop to get this shit going, explain to me why a 7 month term baby needs amnesia and compliance hypnosis? What is the baby going to do to obey? Stop crying? turn over when told? Hold their arm out and be still to get their iv put in?
I am also thinking of starting a campaign to call the white house and demand that Obama do something about versed, it's other forms and the FDA immediately."
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I have already tried calling the WH. The gentleman there (volunteer) told me that he thinks that the reason they use Versed so much in a medical setting is that medical people are "only trying to avoid malpractice suits." So avoiding malpractice suits brought by people who object to mistreatment and/or torture is a perfectly acceptable reason to destroy peoples' brains. I feel really sorry for medical people, don't you?
Friday, August 26, 2011
For John Connor, NP, PICU
John I'm not going to post any more of your ignorant rants. Your "stupid bitch" comments going back for over a year, and maybe longer are proof enough of your lack of intellect, your hatred of women and your mental disorder. Narcissists are unable to see any point of view which is not their own. That would account for the tedious (and unimaginative) name calling, and the ridiculous claims you make here. While it has been fun to tear you apart, I'm now bored with you. If you want a forum to prove your complete lack of empathy or understanding, and your narrow-minded, bigoted point of view, start your own blog! I'm sure you can attract others with your same mental health problems. Then you can smugly write back and forth among yourselves, assuring each other that you are indeed the superior beings which you try to convince US of!
1st PS; John if you would like, you can e-mail me and we can exchange insults, argue the merits of any drug you desire, and you can call me stupid bitch all you want! I can send you all the info that I have gleaned from scientific, empirical studies about Versed use, including all the studies about Versed use in the ICU. I can also send you all the links to Ketamine as well. You aren't READING those posts are you? I can compile them for you and send them on. E-mail me at nomidazolam at aol dot com.
What we will NOT be doing is using MY blog for your juvenile insults and your lunatic beliefs. Nobody wants to hear any more from you. I am going to be generous and keep talking to you. Think of me as your counselor. You really do need to vent and I'm here for you John! You are just NOT going to be allowed to ridicule, besmirch, anger, annoy, harass, irritate, shock, dismay or otherwise upset my readers, some of whom are very sensitive. I know you don't understand sensitivity because you don't personally possess that trait, but perhaps I can educate you.
2nd PS; John, I am not going to put up any more of your posts! Don't you understand what that means? If you want to have discussions with me, civil or otherwise you must e-mail me. Please, John, I'm begging you READ THE DAMN POSTS FIRST before you go off half cocked! A lot of the stuff you are so nasty and uninformed about are SCIENTIFIC STUDIES! Which means that *I* did not write them nor did I make them up. This isn't rocket science John... It's readin 101. Basic stuff. Try not to look like such a fool, can you? LOL
3rd ps; Hi John. My stepfather the Dr. isn't peds but he is internal medicine and has lots of experience with older folks with problems as you describe. I'll get back to you on what he says. I already know that he won't allow Versed to be used on himself...
My own thoughts, since you ask... First of all we would have to determine what the desired outcome is. For you as a nurse it is probably just to have these children appear quite. For me it would be to actually have them TRANQUIL, not amnestic. There are other drugs which are merely tranquilizers if you want the kids quiet. I don't think that amnesia is such a good thing. I think Versed disrupts the neuro pathways in a dangerous and sometimes permanent way. I would never allow this drug to be used to immobilize MY kid! I'm not a fan of Propofol either as anything that can leave you awake and obedient, but screw with the memory pathways is suspect.
My thinking is that if these kids are old enough to rip their tubes out as you suggest, so are old enough to see if you can manage them with information and NURSING care. I think that a nurse is so much more than a drug pusher. (or should be) I know you guys are busy, but maybe not so busy for a comforting word and a little explanation? With Versed they are LIVING THROUGH the torment, but unable to do anything about it. Helplessness is horrendous I don't care how old you are. Maybe they can remember it later and maybe they can't. YOU DON'T KNOW! Can you imagine being trapped inside your own body, unable to move and perhaps not having amnesia? Can you? How BORING it would be if nothing else? How grinding the pain might be while your nurses ignore you, give you scant pain meds etc. because they think you may not remember, or because you are immobilized with a Versed drip? The scariest thing for kids and you were one John, are the things that go bump in the night. FORCING them not to remember much is like feeding the monsters.
I know you think I am the worst kind of horrible moron, but *I* had the experience with this brain damage drug Versed. I have had experience with other benzos, so whatever they did to the rings on the Versed molecule acted on my brain in a severely detrimental fashion. I know that others may not or perhaps mostly do not have the same reaction as I have had. The problem is that I would NEVER EVER risk this kind of reaction. Especially not with formative brains.
You ask me what *I* would use. Have you tried Stirifentol? Oxycarbazepine? (Using Versed for siezures is an off label use, not approved by the FDA, be very careful with that John) How 'bout just plain old Valium, which is not usually an amnestic unless you are giving it in way high doses. I am still not sure what exactly it is that you want out of the drugs. It SHOULD vary case by case, but the way you present it is that you use Versed for everything and anything. I think you want AMNESIA in these kids and the sedated part is a copout. Or, you want to not be bothered with them and so want them totally immobilized. If they are in such pain, why have them "conscious" of it, amnesia or not? Let them sleep.
Fentanyl "sedates" me (normal usage of word, not medical terminology) and keeps me pain free. I have not become addicted to any pain med. Aleve (NSAID) works better for me than Oxy. Everybody is different. BTW I have ALWAYS awakened from general anesthesia struggling and in restraints. This was so much better than the Versed awakening where I was loose and out of control in the PACU trying to kill people. The side effects with the Versed were also way, way worse than just having regular g/a. The kiddies may prefer having their mind intact, but their body restrained as well.
What I mean by my long explanation is this John. It's not enough to treat the physical body and ignore the most important part of being human. The mind. Don't wreck the brain for some transient easing of YOUR job. Especially not kids who are pretty much weak, helpless and small anyway. You claim to be providing excellent care and yet you insist on destroying kids brains with Ketamine and Versed. It's not possible to do both. I think you like these drugs because it's easier for YOU! That's why all the vitriol. Most of the time your posts just drip venom.
As far as doing "grand rounds" I think not. I don't have the training for that. (I know you are being facitious) I would however always be available if your hospital wanted a lay person to teach some sensitivity classes from my unique perspective. If you stop swearing at me and treating me like I'm a sub human, mentally challenged individual, I'll give you my phone number and we can set it up. Always a pleasure hearing from you.
pps. What would YOU DO if you couldn't get Versed? Let those kids move and kill themselves? Do not even TRY to go there with me honey. You and I both know there are better drugs for each individual case than Versed. Versed is just easier for medical workers for a variety of reasons, all of which I have heard before.
4th PS; John, grow up.
1st PS; John if you would like, you can e-mail me and we can exchange insults, argue the merits of any drug you desire, and you can call me stupid bitch all you want! I can send you all the info that I have gleaned from scientific, empirical studies about Versed use, including all the studies about Versed use in the ICU. I can also send you all the links to Ketamine as well. You aren't READING those posts are you? I can compile them for you and send them on. E-mail me at nomidazolam at aol dot com.
What we will NOT be doing is using MY blog for your juvenile insults and your lunatic beliefs. Nobody wants to hear any more from you. I am going to be generous and keep talking to you. Think of me as your counselor. You really do need to vent and I'm here for you John! You are just NOT going to be allowed to ridicule, besmirch, anger, annoy, harass, irritate, shock, dismay or otherwise upset my readers, some of whom are very sensitive. I know you don't understand sensitivity because you don't personally possess that trait, but perhaps I can educate you.
2nd PS; John, I am not going to put up any more of your posts! Don't you understand what that means? If you want to have discussions with me, civil or otherwise you must e-mail me. Please, John, I'm begging you READ THE DAMN POSTS FIRST before you go off half cocked! A lot of the stuff you are so nasty and uninformed about are SCIENTIFIC STUDIES! Which means that *I* did not write them nor did I make them up. This isn't rocket science John... It's readin 101. Basic stuff. Try not to look like such a fool, can you? LOL
3rd ps; Hi John. My stepfather the Dr. isn't peds but he is internal medicine and has lots of experience with older folks with problems as you describe. I'll get back to you on what he says. I already know that he won't allow Versed to be used on himself...
My own thoughts, since you ask... First of all we would have to determine what the desired outcome is. For you as a nurse it is probably just to have these children appear quite. For me it would be to actually have them TRANQUIL, not amnestic. There are other drugs which are merely tranquilizers if you want the kids quiet. I don't think that amnesia is such a good thing. I think Versed disrupts the neuro pathways in a dangerous and sometimes permanent way. I would never allow this drug to be used to immobilize MY kid! I'm not a fan of Propofol either as anything that can leave you awake and obedient, but screw with the memory pathways is suspect.
My thinking is that if these kids are old enough to rip their tubes out as you suggest, so are old enough to see if you can manage them with information and NURSING care. I think that a nurse is so much more than a drug pusher. (or should be) I know you guys are busy, but maybe not so busy for a comforting word and a little explanation? With Versed they are LIVING THROUGH the torment, but unable to do anything about it. Helplessness is horrendous I don't care how old you are. Maybe they can remember it later and maybe they can't. YOU DON'T KNOW! Can you imagine being trapped inside your own body, unable to move and perhaps not having amnesia? Can you? How BORING it would be if nothing else? How grinding the pain might be while your nurses ignore you, give you scant pain meds etc. because they think you may not remember, or because you are immobilized with a Versed drip? The scariest thing for kids and you were one John, are the things that go bump in the night. FORCING them not to remember much is like feeding the monsters.
I know you think I am the worst kind of horrible moron, but *I* had the experience with this brain damage drug Versed. I have had experience with other benzos, so whatever they did to the rings on the Versed molecule acted on my brain in a severely detrimental fashion. I know that others may not or perhaps mostly do not have the same reaction as I have had. The problem is that I would NEVER EVER risk this kind of reaction. Especially not with formative brains.
You ask me what *I* would use. Have you tried Stirifentol? Oxycarbazepine? (Using Versed for siezures is an off label use, not approved by the FDA, be very careful with that John) How 'bout just plain old Valium, which is not usually an amnestic unless you are giving it in way high doses. I am still not sure what exactly it is that you want out of the drugs. It SHOULD vary case by case, but the way you present it is that you use Versed for everything and anything. I think you want AMNESIA in these kids and the sedated part is a copout. Or, you want to not be bothered with them and so want them totally immobilized. If they are in such pain, why have them "conscious" of it, amnesia or not? Let them sleep.
Fentanyl "sedates" me (normal usage of word, not medical terminology) and keeps me pain free. I have not become addicted to any pain med. Aleve (NSAID) works better for me than Oxy. Everybody is different. BTW I have ALWAYS awakened from general anesthesia struggling and in restraints. This was so much better than the Versed awakening where I was loose and out of control in the PACU trying to kill people. The side effects with the Versed were also way, way worse than just having regular g/a. The kiddies may prefer having their mind intact, but their body restrained as well.
What I mean by my long explanation is this John. It's not enough to treat the physical body and ignore the most important part of being human. The mind. Don't wreck the brain for some transient easing of YOUR job. Especially not kids who are pretty much weak, helpless and small anyway. You claim to be providing excellent care and yet you insist on destroying kids brains with Ketamine and Versed. It's not possible to do both. I think you like these drugs because it's easier for YOU! That's why all the vitriol. Most of the time your posts just drip venom.
As far as doing "grand rounds" I think not. I don't have the training for that. (I know you are being facitious) I would however always be available if your hospital wanted a lay person to teach some sensitivity classes from my unique perspective. If you stop swearing at me and treating me like I'm a sub human, mentally challenged individual, I'll give you my phone number and we can set it up. Always a pleasure hearing from you.
pps. What would YOU DO if you couldn't get Versed? Let those kids move and kill themselves? Do not even TRY to go there with me honey. You and I both know there are better drugs for each individual case than Versed. Versed is just easier for medical workers for a variety of reasons, all of which I have heard before.
4th PS; John, grow up.
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